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    the jancok

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    Quick Ware.

    Post by the jancok on Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:05 am

    http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7149/quickdandyware.jpg

    Lazy writing list of the cards ;[

    Needs help asap.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by tws1994 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:14 am

    how many duels have u won wıth thıs
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by catastor on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:05 am

    waat the hell
    this is one of the deck that i hates the most >.<
    de-synchro + junk destroyer = ftw
    de synchro again = wtf ftw

    bahasa indo karena terlalu kesal:
    junk destroyer di de synchro kaya ingus, turun naek pake tuningware, bisa draw 3, ancurin 3, gila aja kali yah.......... wtf this combo
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Shadow on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:06 am

    actually desynchro ftw with trishula rly perfect combo that i like to do Smile

    btw for the deck umm since its quick y pot of duality is there? itll slow u down in my opinion

    Edit:I guess u need hand destruction and i think road needs to be in side :/ slows deck Surprised
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by catastor on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:16 am

    no it think not
    pot of duality helps you get de synchro, dandy, tuningware, or cards that u need
    IMO, this deck is fast by itself
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by the jancok on Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:41 am

    tws1994 wrote:how many duels have u won wıth thıs
    Lost 0-1 with neos OTK and won 1-0 dragon OTK. May i'll update the results as soon as possible.

    catastor wrote:waat the hell
    this is one of the deck that i hates the most >.<
    de-synchro + junk destroyer = ftw
    de synchro again = wtf ftw

    bahasa indo karena terlalu kesal:
    junk destroyer di de synchro kaya ingus, turun naek pake tuningware, bisa draw 3, ancurin 3, gila aja kali yah.......... wtf this combo
    Indeed but not always ? ;]

    Shadow wrote:actually desynchro ftw with trishula rly perfect combo that i like to do Smile

    btw for the deck umm since its quick y pot of duality is there? itll slow u down in my opinion

    Edit:I guess u need hand destruction and i think road needs to be in side :/ slows deck Surprised
    Any space for they ?
    Looking forward to see which cards should i replace it -.0.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by WilBer on Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:08 pm

    catastor wrote:

    bahasa indo karena terlalu kesal:
    junk destroyer di de synchro kaya ingus, turun naek pake tuningware, bisa draw 3, ancurin 3, gila aja kali yah.......... wtf this combo

    lolz Razz

    nisch deck S:
    (credit to DD)

    i think need more machine duplication
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by catastor on Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:11 pm

    agree with william
    and you should add more black rose in extra deck, 2 is enough i guess
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by BERKAY on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:24 pm

    -2 PoD
    -2 BTH
    -1 Starlight
    -1 IRS (Inferno Reckless Summon) (I don't prefer this card because it's not good at all. While Machine Duplication can do same job, you shouldn't prefer this card that provide to your oppenent summon a monster.)
    -6

    +1 De-Synchro (Very nice to use for your oppenents too.)
    +2 Machine Duplication (To draw faster.)
    +3 Reckless Greed (Draw Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    +6
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Stef on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:57 pm

    BERKAY wrote:-2 PoD
    -2 BTH
    -1 Starlight
    -1 IRS (Inferno Reckless Summon) (I don't prefer this card because it's not good at all. While Machine Duplication can do same job, you shouldn't prefer this card that provide to your oppenent summon a monster.)
    -6

    +1 De-Synchro (Very nice to use for your oppenents too.)
    +2 Machine Duplication (To draw faster.)
    +3 Reckless Greed (Draw Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
    +6

    I agree with the Inferno Reckless Summon, since I've playtested it in a similar deck. However, why take out the BTHs?

    I suggest :

    -1 Night Assailant (You have NO flip effect monsters other than Morphing Jar to recycle with night assailants discard. If you want something to destroy cards on the field add 2-3 rykos for deck thinning too.)
    -1 IRS (I just don't like it xP)
    +2 Synchron Explorer (I mean... why the hell not? xP)

    You might consider Chaos Sorcerer too, or even Dark Simorgh.

    Now, for what BERKAY said, Machine Duplication has only 2 targets, Tuningware and Cyber Valley, and it will most probably be used for only one of those 2 even if you have 3 copies of it. Having 3 copies of this would result in a total dead draw in critical times when you need something useful.

    Reckless Greed is not so versatile, since what you will draw will not necessarily be useful and you will not draw for 2 turns, and that could be the cause of many losses. What you need here is thinning, not draw power.

    You have some things missing in the extra deck.

    For example :

    Where is Scrap Dragon? xP
    I'd say, if you put Synchron Explorer, put a Magical Android in too.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by kajuri625 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:02 pm

    Instead of reckless go with hand destruction or card destruction
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Stef on Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:08 pm

    kajuri625 wrote:Instead of reckless go with hand destruction or card destruction

    I've playtested Hand Destruction as well, and I also had Level Eaters and Quillbolt Hedgegogs, and it just didn't work well. Card Destruction, especially in this format, isn't really the best card to use. Most of the time you won't have many cards in hand since you set all of your S/T and even if you don't, card destruction is still a -1.

    He already has Morphing Jar to restore his hand and I think if he keeps Night Assailant and the 3 Cyber Valleys the I think it's more than enough draw power.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Efane on Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:48 pm

    de-synchro is not that good, honestly) u cant summon tockens back with it and cases when u actually ss junk destroyer with 3 tuningware i like never Oo

    keep it at 1 and put some rykos in... like 3, and poas
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by the jancok on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:40 am

    Changes so far:

    -2 Pot of Duality

    -1 Starlight Road

    -1 De-Synchro

    +2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter

    +2 Synchro Explorer

    IRS and BTH is useful in here so i won't remove them.

    Thx guys for your time to fix this deck. ;]

    I'll update it soon.



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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by BERKAY on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:02 pm

    Stef wrote:why take out the BTHs?

    Because this is a fast deck. These kinds of traps make a deck slower. I don't say BTH is bad. I just say you need your oppenent's move to use these cards. This is a Quickdraw Turbo variant. So you must make your job yourself. xD

    Stef wrote:-1 Night Assailant (You have NO flip effect monsters other than Morphing Jar to recycle with night assailants discard. If you want something to destroy cards on the field add 2-3 rykos for deck thinning too.)

    He prefered this for QD.

    Stef wrote:+2 Synchron Explorer (I mean... why the hell not? xP)

    I don't think it's useful at all Maybe Black Rose Dragon.

    Stef wrote:You might consider Chaos Sorcerer too, or even Dark Simorgh.

    Same.

    Stef wrote:Now, for what BERKAY said, Machine Duplication has only 2 targets, Tuningware and Cyber Valley, and it will most probably be used for only one of those 2 even if you have 3 copies of it. Having 3 copies of this would result in a total dead draw in critical times when you need something useful.

    To draw faster. Anyway, if you have great draw engine, there is no problem about that.

    Stef wrote:Reckless Greed is not so versatile, since what you will draw will not necessarily be useful and you will not draw for 2 turns, and that could be the cause of many losses. What you need here is thinning, not draw power.

    Do you know better? This deck works like an OTK deck. You need many cards once in your hand. In fact, it'll be death that draw card one by on with draw phases.

    Please, don't get me wrong dude. I'm just trying make a discussion ^^
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Supreme_King on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:22 pm

    BERKAY wrote:

    Stef wrote:+2 Synchron Explorer (I mean... why the hell not? xP)

    I don't think it's useful at all Maybe Black Rose Dragon.


    Wrong, that is a condition, so no Blackrose with Quickdraw.

    ~~~Supreme_King~~~
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Stef on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:43 pm

    @ Berkay

    Don't worry, as long as you don't insult and say that you're right without a reason I won't get you wrong Smile

    1) You got the wrong idea about the deck. If it really WAS a fast deck that wants to OTK in the early game, then why does he have Gorz/Battle Faders/3 Cyber Valleys that are only really fast when comboed with Machine Duplication/Sangan/PoDs. This deck is indeed fast, but generally in this format, due to the massive S/T abuse and the new Solemn Warning, a "fast" deck NEEDS it's defenses. BTHs can ruin your opponent's combos and clear the field to attack freely.

    2) I know that he preferred this for QD, however ANY monster can be discarded for QD. What you need is a GOOD monster to be discarded for QD. Night Assailant is good in quickdraw variants because it recycles Rykos by discarding him for QD. Now that he added 2 Rykos it has a purpose in the deck, but before he didn't since only Morphing Jar was a target.

    3) What do you mean maybe BRD? O.o Synchron explorer is one of the best ways to recycle QD to make Nitro Warrior/Junk Archer, and if you have tokens on the field already you can make a Drill Warrior or Junk Destroyer. Think of it : Discard Dandylion for QD. Synchro QD with Fluff Token for Drill Warrior. Summon Synchron Explorer, Special Summon QD. Synchro with Fluff Token and/or Synchron Explorer for Nitro Warrior/Junk Destroyer/Drill Warrior.

    4) Ok, maybe I went a little bit overboard with Dark Simorgh, since the deck has no space for him. But why not put a Chaos Sorcerer? Now that Rykos are in the deck too, he is damn useful. You can clear your opponents field, use him as a removal and then use him as a synchro material, summon him for extra attack power for more OTK possibilities and many more. Also, he is DARK. Dark Simorgh can KILL the opponent's strategies and combos if followed after a Giant Trunade.

    5) Maybe I understood what you said wrong. When you say "to draw faster" you mean to DRAW MACHINE DUPLICATION faster, or to draw cards faster? Anyways, still, 3 Machine Duplications are useless. I'd say keep it at one or, if you really want it, 2.

    6) I stated the reason above, in the 1)

    Also, on-topic :

    You can add :

    Chaos Sorcerer
    Allure of Darkness

    -1 Sangan or Battle Fader

    41 cards in deck won't kill you Smile
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by BERKAY on Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:07 pm

    Stef wrote:3) What do you mean maybe BRD? O.o Synchron explorer is one of the best ways to recycle QD to make Nitro Warrior/Junk Archer, and if you have tokens on the field already you can make a Drill Warrior or Junk Destroyer. Think of it : Discard Dandylion for QD. Synchro QD with Fluff Token for Drill Warrior. Summon Synchron Explorer, Special Summon QD. Synchro with Fluff Token and/or Synchron Explorer for Nitro Warrior/Junk Destroyer/Drill Warrior.

    Synchron explorer negate summoned monster's effect. So you can't use QD instead of Junk, Nitro, Turbo etc.

    Stef wrote:4) Ok, maybe I went a little bit overboard with Dark Simorgh, since the deck has no space for him. But why not put a Chaos Sorcerer? Now that Rykos are in the deck too, he is damn useful. You can clear your opponents field, use him as a removal and then use him as a synchro material, summon him for extra attack power for more OTK possibilities and many more. Also, he is DARK. Dark Simorgh can KILL the opponent's strategies and combos if followed after a Giant Trunade.

    I said same. I meant I think same. I'm with you. Right... Smile

    Stef wrote:5) Maybe I understood what you said wrong. When you say "to draw faster" you mean to DRAW MACHINE DUPLICATION faster, or to draw cards faster? Anyways, still, 3 Machine Duplications are useless. I'd say keep it at one or, if you really want it, 2.

    I meant get Machine Duplication early in your hand. If you have 3, you can get it easily. It increase its draw possibility.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Sam on Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:17 pm

    Using Quickdraw as a synchro material for "Synchron" synchro is a condition, Just like Debris. It wont be negated w/ Skill drain/Explorer..
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Stef on Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:12 pm

    @Berkay

    Like Sam and SK said, it's a condition, not an effect. Conditions CANNOT be negated. Therefore QD can only be used for a synchro summon for Warriors.

    When you said same, I thought you meant that it's useless xP Well, it's better this way Very Happy

    Well, I've playtested it at three and it didn't work out well (in a deck with 3 targets). But, it's the player's choice anyways Smile

    BTW, jancok, I remind you :

    No luvz for Scrap Dragon? =3 Prefer it over RDA
    Chaos Sorcerer for president!
    Allure of Darkness all the way.
    Random suggestion : Quillbolt FTW? =3

    You will have to find out what to take out Smile Gorz and Faders (all together) are kinda too much if you want agressiveness. You can take out those 2 Faders for Chaos Sorcerer and Allure of Darkness? (Without the Faders : 5 DARK Targets, With the Rykos : 8 LIGHT Targets (if Tuningware is LIGHT, I don't remember xP) but the 3 Cyber Valleys are most likely to be removed)

    If Tuningwares are not LIGHT, then try Dark Simorgh out! (5 WIND Targets and 5 DARK Targets (Without the faders))

    If you like the idea of Dark Simorgh, then you can take out 2 faders and add 1 Dark Simorgh and a Return from a Different Dimension, or 2 Dark Simorghs.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by BERKAY on Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:29 pm

    I'm sorry about that Smile
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by the jancok on Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:25 am

    Well stef, very detailed you got there ;]. I was surprised you did a lot fixed in here -, o.
    Tbh this deck work well but perhaps i'll keep try replacing some cards to be competitive.

    - 2 Battle fader

    +1 Chaos sorceror

    +1 Dark Simorgh

    +1 Allure of Darkness

    For scrap dragon i don't have space but might i'll consider about that guy.

    Many thanks to you're all guys.

    :la:

    P.s: I've already try it and for the results..

    1-0 montage otk
    0-1 xx- saber (LOST)
    2-0 reptile

    http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/580/lolyfm.jpg
    Spoiler:

    ENJOY.
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by Stef on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:49 pm

    A LOT better now Very Happy

    There's a really good balance, but seeing it now makes me think you REALLY need one card!

    And that card is :

    Return from a Different Dimension

    Reasons?

    1) 3 Cyber Valleys
    2) Dark Simorgh
    3) Chaos Sorcerer
    4) Allure of Darkness
    5) Tuners removed from play so you can summon beatsticks and stuff, therefore you can turn the tables with just RfaDM

    Also, another fix for your extra deck :

    You have 1 LV6, 2 LV7 and 3 LV8 Dragon Synchros with 2 Debris in the deck. I believe RDA is kinda useless right now, so I would take him out for a Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, since you play a lot of machines and it may come in handy!
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    Re: Quick Ware.

    Post by the jancok on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:20 pm

    My bad ;[, i'll add that(RDD) and also RDA replacing chimera.

    Thanks for everything.

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