Summoner of Illusions Rulings

Okay. So I have a facedown Summoner of Illusions.
I flip, then chain Enemy Controller.
Tribute Summoner.
Grab Monster.
Tribute Monster for Summoner.
Get Monster from Extra.

Legal or not?

Supposedly its legal in OCG but not in TCG. Explanation?

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the effect of summoner illusion will be active when its remain on the field and when u have at least 1 monster on ur field. If there are no monster on ur side of field, so the effect of summoner cannot be activated since it didnt have any cost to activate its effect...
if u flip summon Illusion when there are no monster on ur field, it cannot activate its effect, and if u chain it with enemy controller, its only make u controlling ur opponent monster by its effect....
maybe.... Correct me if i wrong... iam just wanna help without looking at yugio,wika.

not legal, sorry

Can't because of timing. To get his monster, you first need to tribute the Summoner, thus it must hit the grave before you take his monster. And because of that, you don't have more then 1 monster, he was the only monster on the field when he left. Question answered? (Correct me if i'm wrong)

Can't you use Summoner itself for it's cost?

Not legal.

SOL effect to summon a fusion, you need to tribute a monster and its a cost. The effect wont even activate if you don't control other monster. Therefore you need to tribute a monster immediately after you flip him before you can chain e-con, etc etc..

EDIT: To answer your question BigBangMeteor..

Read the text:

FLIP: Tribute 1 other monster to Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. The Fusion Monster is destroyed at the end of the turn this effect is activated.

Anyone mjnow why this is legal in ocg?

Everyone here has answered this correctly, tributing another monster is a cost in the TCG that must take place in order to successful activate the effect of Summoner of Illusions. You can't tribute after Enemy Controller since that would cause your Flip effect to miss the Timing as it isnt the last thing to happen.

The fact that it is legal in the OCG is that in the OCG Summoner of Illusion will tribute at resolution and not as a cost. The wording in the card is different to the way it is worded in the TCG and is worded as an effect that resolves during resolutions. Something along the lines of "Tribute 1 other monster and Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck..."

Like Tyan, Sam and Det said, its not legal.


Explained in Chain :

Flip Summoner of Illusions

FLIP: Tribute 1 other monster to Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck. The Fusion Monster is destroyed at the end of the turn this effect is activated.

You DO NOT have the other monster to tribute. Tributing a monster is a cost, and if you don't pay the cost, the effect won't even be activated, so the chain will not even start.If it was an EFFECT and not a COST, the chain would have started, BUT :

Chain Link 1 : Summoner of Illusions

Active EC

Chain Link 2 : Enemy Controller

The effect of enemy controller requires to tribute a monster, and that's a COST too, so you will get the opponents monster, but Summoner of Illusions will be in the grave. I believe he wouldn't be able to activate he's effect when in the graveyard, but I'm not completely sure about that.

Stef wrote:
If it was an EFFECT and not a COST, the chain would have started, BUT :

Chain Link 1 : Summoner of Illusions

Active EC

Chain Link 2 : Enemy Controller

The effect of enemy controller requires to tribute a monster, and that's a COST too, so you will get the opponents monster, but Summoner of Illusions will be in the grave. I believe he wouldn't be able to activate he's effect when in the graveyard, but I'm not completely sure about that.

In the OCG Summoner does not activate in the Graveyard, it activates on the field immidiantly when Flip Summoned. In the above chain it will resolve in the Graveyard after you gain control of your opponents monster. You can then tribute your opponents monster legally and Special Summon a Fusion Monster.

Remember this is only in the OCG and not the TCG so lets not get too involved in this as it doesnt apply to us.

Kay. Thanks for the replies. You can lock this now