Hyunlei, Darksoul, and DoomCaliberKnight

if Darksoul is used to tune for Hyunlei while DCK is face-up.
does Hyunlei Misstiming to activate it's effect?

note:check their spell speed, and SEGOC rules.

what i know darksoul effect activated after hyunlei eff

I don't get what you're saying actually ._.
care to explain how the chainlink built.

To answer the question you have to realize that Darksoul's effect activates, regardless whether you want it to activate or not. Meaning Doomcaliber activates to chain Darksoul before Hyunlei is properly summoned. Since Hyunlei's effect activates after it's successfully summoned, I assume it would not lose timing, but rather activate on a separate chain, after the Darksoul-DCK chain is successfully resolved.

This is subject to fixing, especially from Det xD

following your reasons, Plant Synchro wil be fail, due to Dandylion+Debris+Nuke =/= clearfield + 2 token.
//In fact, Dandy+Nuke is both placed in the same chain with Dandy in Chainlink 1, and then BRD in chainlink 2, resolve backwards.
wat if DCK/LaDD is added on the list?
well that's the question....

Well, since the separate chains option is not viable, I assume Hyunlei will just be chain link 3, and not negated by DCK and carry out normally.

unfortunately DCK is a quick effect(Spell speed 2) and placing hyunlei whose effect is trigger(Spell speed 1) is impossible.

You have just answered your own question then. No separate chains, no Hyunlei chained after DCK, so no Hyunlei eff.

duh...
just don't lock this topic yet...


~ No, i dont. Although ur question was so situational, It was so crucial and complex question. And thats good, though. I ll keep this open till u satisfied^^

~ Who else? xD

wut...I found this ruling in DCK's wikia,trustworthy?

Example 5: Player A's "Sasuke Samurai #4" attacks Player B's "Neo-Spacian Grand Mole" while "Doomcaliber Knight" is face-up on the field. "Sasuke Samurai #4's" effect is Chain Link 1 and "Neo-Spacian Grand Mole" is Chain Link 2. "Doomcaliber Knight's" effect is chained, and it will negate and destroy "Neo-Spacian Grand Mole".[1]

Mandatory->Optional->Mandatory? O.O
and it doesn't even mention which player have DCK ._.
it'd be trustworthy enough if it's Deus Ex Machina...but AtemVegeta...who's that? D:

Spoiler:

Great...
Now testing suggest, BRD,Dandy and DCK works ignoring SEGOC?

a bit explanation:
CL1: Dandy (active in graveyard)
CL2: BRD(active in the field)
CL3: DCK(active in the field, and on the grave during resolution)
resolve backward:
DCK negate BRD, 2 token poping in the field.

e^ipi+1=0 wrote:

Spoiler:

Great...
Now testing suggest, BRD,Dandy and DCK works ignoring SEGOC?

a bit explanation:
CL1: Dandy (active in graveyard)
CL2: BRD(active in the field)
CL3: DCK(active in the field, and on the grave during resolution)
resolve backward:
DCK negate BRD, 2 token poping in the field.

awesome you really did it
well isnt it what it should be << fail grammar
what i want to say in my first post is about that dck will negate hyunlei?

or what u call SEGOC make something different? what is SEGOC? IDK about it sorry

Ask again if you didn't found it after googling.
and...Darksoul effect actually activated before Hyunlei for the record.

Cards do not miss the timing unless they are activating their effects while a chain is resolving. Hyunlei will never miss the timing in this scenario. Darksoul's effect in this scenario will start as chain link 1 since its condition is met first, Hyunlei, activating straight after as link 2 upon its successful summon. This is a type of SEGOC that isnt really SEGOC, although both effects are optional, they are not exactly trigerring at the same time, but are placed on the chain at the same time. Its a bit confusing but its one of those things that needs a lot of explaining to understand

Player A Synchro Summons Xx-Saber Hyunlei with Darksoul
Chain Link 1: Darksoul is activated
Chain Link 2: Hyunlei is activated, the targets are selected.
Chain Link 3: Doomcalibur Knight tributes itself in response to Hyunlei.
--- resolves backwards ---
Chain Link 3: Hyunlei's effect is negated and Hyunlei is destroyed
Chain Link 2: Negated
Chain Link 1: Darksoul's effect will linger until the End Phase. During the End Phase a X Saber monster will be added to the hand.


EDIT: my bad i just rethought what i said. Darksoul is always Chain Link 1 since its condition is met first. Hyunlei will always be chain link 2, DCK will always respond to Hyunlei.

Cards do not miss the timing unless they are activating their effects while a chain is resolving.

That Generalization
I'll take it...
so I guess In SEGOC there's more than turn/mandatory rule but also trigger is prioritized before quick?.

although both effects are optional

to be precise, the Activation of Darksoul is mandatory,Wat optional is whether you want to add during the end phase or not. though it doesn't change anything that it's sent to graveyard earlier.

e^ipi+1=0 wrote:

Cards do not miss the timing unless they are activating their effects while a chain is resolving.

That Generalization
I'll take it...

This is the definition of missing the timing

e^ipi+1=0 wrote:so I guess In SEGOC there's more than turn/mandatory rule but also trigger is prioritized before quick?.

In the TCG this situation does not directly involve SEGOC like i said. If a card such as Darksoul (Trigger Effect activating when hitting the Graveyard) is used for a tribute summon, or a synchro summon, its effect is treated as being activated first no matter what. It will always be chain link 1, even if the new summoned monster has a trigger effect (that activates when summoned). In the OCG, this rule does not exist and both effects are treated as activating at the same time and will follow SEGOC rules.

e^ipi+1=0 wrote:

although both effects are optional

to be precise, the Activation of Darksoul is mandatory,Wat optional is whether you want to add during the end phase or not. though it doesn't change anything that it's sent to graveyard earlier.

Correct the activation is mandatory, but the effect is optional, this is still an optional effect. You choose if you wish to add a X Saber when darksoul hits the graveyard. If you choose to do so, then in your end phase you can add a monster. You do not choose during your end phase to add or not. You must resolve the effect at the time of darksoul being sent to the graveyard. All trigger effects have mandatory activations.

Aah...

during the End Phase you can add 1 "X-Saber" monster

Mislead me,
anyway thanx for clearing that up. this topic can be locked now.

No worries. I like rules x]

i can't be sure for my answer,but i have a great chance of believing i am correct.when darksoul got out,it's effect activated in battle phase and resolved in end phase,BUT in ycs bochum if someone of you read the feature match(i think the one in final,but not sure about it)darksoul had errata.So it activates in end phase and resolves in end phase too.In your case,you make the synch and hyunlei gets negates by doom if you choose to activate eff.

PS.in the feature match there was a doom who attacked darksoul and it was destroyed during the end phase and my friends who were there after they returned they told me that the rule changed

Was it probably the ruling before errata?
I recall seeing if Darkhole being crow'd before end phase it's effect will not activate however, yeah that's wat the old ruling said. not the current one (at least one in wikia)

there was never a ruling stated that if you crow'd darksoul it wouldn't activate eff.b4 errata darksoul activated eff in bp and resolved in ep.after errata it did both of them in ep

The current official ruling is:

"The effect of "XX-Saber Darksoul" activates and resolves when it is sent to the Graveyard. Once the effect of "XX-Saber Darksoul" has resolved, a Lingering Effect is created, and will resolve during the End Phase."

End of story.

This hasn't been changed since May of 2010.

(And for added interest the lingering effect does not start a new chain at the end phase).

Doomcaliber Knight was Summoned and attacked into XX-Saber Darksoul. Zamir Set a spell or trap and lost his monster in the End Phase (the effect of XX-Saber Darksoul triggered, which in turn triggered the effect of Doomcaliber Knight). that's the part of the feature match in final of ycs bochum,all the judges were watching,so i think that prooves that i am correct and that in that ycs the rule about darksoul changed officially