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Yuri Bakura- Posts : 707
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stardust dragon effect
1 - I got monsters at field with stardust, my opponent activate darkhole, and then my stardust negate it then my opponent have Yubel - Terror Incarnate, his effect will destroy all my monster during end phase. He end his turn, and then that monster effect activate, become chain link 1, my stardust dragon effect become chain link 2. When resolving, my stardust dragon summon to field, can he negate the destruction during chain resolving ?
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i think yes he can?
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Yeah i am 90% sure he can
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The effects don't form a chain to begin with. He is turn player so he can choose to activate and resolve his effect first. When that is done, or if he chooses to pass priority, you can summon your Stardust back. If he passed priority and you then summoned Stardust, you can negate his Yubel when he activates it's effect after Stardust has been summoned.
Yuri Bakura- Posts : 707
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Re: stardust dragon effect
first ... yubel incarnate effect is Compulsory Trigger Effects, so ... he cannot pass priority without yubel effect activate...
second, what i am asking is
Yubel - chain link 1
Stardust - Chain link 2
chain resolve backward, so stardust summon to the field, so can he negate Yubel ? Not what will happen after he pass the priority
and yubel effect did start a chain, stardust did too = ="
second, what i am asking is
Yubel - chain link 1
Stardust - Chain link 2
chain resolve backward, so stardust summon to the field, so can he negate Yubel ? Not what will happen after he pass the priority
and yubel effect did start a chain, stardust did too = ="
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If you're right about Chain Link order, Dusty can do this of course.
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Both effect start out when your end...... its confused too...>.<
Just like you activate treeborn frog when sacred phoenix wanna special summon too from ur grave at ur standby phase, who summoned first then?
Just like Berkay said, are u sure about Its chain link?
Just like you activate treeborn frog when sacred phoenix wanna special summon too from ur grave at ur standby phase, who summoned first then?
Just like Berkay said, are u sure about Its chain link?
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ok ... first, during the end phase, mandatory trigger effect always GO FIRST !!! so Yubel Incarnate effect become chain link 1, then opponent has choice to activate any card before pass the priority to me. He didn't activate any card so he pass the priority to me. I activate stardust dragon effect. so it become chain link 2, and STARDUST DRAGON EFFECT IS NOT MANDATORY.
So i am sure chain go like this but the problem is, can stardust activate effect during chain resolving ??? My brother said it is impossible = =" He told me an example why cannot
chain resolve backward, call of the haunted resolve, special summon a monster, and he said "SO YOU WANT TO TELL ME YOU CAN CHAIN BOTTOMLESS DURING CHAIN RESOLVING !! ? ?! ?!?"
= ="
So i am sure chain go like this but the problem is, can stardust activate effect during chain resolving ??? My brother said it is impossible = =" He told me an example why cannot
Call of the haunted chain link 2
Book of moon chain link 1
chain resolve backward, call of the haunted resolve, special summon a monster, and he said "SO YOU WANT TO TELL ME YOU CAN CHAIN BOTTOMLESS DURING CHAIN RESOLVING !! ? ?! ?!?"
= ="
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1st, Yubel and Stardust will not form a chain (like I said before)
2nd, even if they did you wouldn't be able to use Stardust's effect.
3rd, I assume you made this topic because you wanted help with the question, but if all you want to do is shoot down posts with correct answers and make up your own little rules, then be my guest.
2nd, even if they did you wouldn't be able to use Stardust's effect.
3rd, I assume you made this topic because you wanted help with the question, but if all you want to do is shoot down posts with correct answers and make up your own little rules, then be my guest.
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i make this topic because i want to ask can Stardust effect activate during middle of the chain ~.~"
admin can close this topic, actually i am waiting detonator to give me the answer = ="
admin can close this topic, actually i am waiting detonator to give me the answer = ="
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U should not talking about "close" this thread ( If crescent Know this, he will directly close this thread like u said before deto Explain it to us)
This really confused on me too.....
This really confused on me too.....
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Yuri Bakura wrote:ok ... first, during the end phase, mandatory trigger effect always GO FIRST !!! so Yubel Incarnate effect become chain link 1, then opponent has choice to activate any card before pass the priority to me. He didn't activate any card so he pass the priority to me. I activate stardust dragon effect. so it become chain link 2, and STARDUST DRAGON EFFECT IS NOT MANDATORY.
So i am sure chain go like this but the problem is, can stardust activate effect during chain resolving ??? My brother said it is impossible = =" He told me an example why cannot
Call of the haunted chain link 2
Book of moon chain link 1
chain resolve backward, call of the haunted resolve, special summon a monster, and he said "SO YOU WANT TO TELL ME YOU CAN CHAIN BOTTOMLESS DURING CHAIN RESOLVING !! ? ?! ?!?"
= ="
I Have same opinion with ur brother, Stardust will miss the timing..
But well I am not an expert in ruling lets wait det's..
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Yuri is right, because this is the same with Torrential Tribute.
If you Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" during the End Phase and your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute", you can chain "Stardust Dragon's" first effect to negate "Torrential Tribute". If you do, you can Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" again during the same End Phase.
Check it on wikia if you don't believe me Always check on wikia before asking ruling questions, you will find the answer most of the time!
This happens because Stardust's Summon does not start a chain. The effect that states that Stardust Dragon will be special summoned in the End Phase is the same with the one that negates a card that destroys cards on the field. If you negate Stardust's first effect he won't come back in the end phase. I'm not completely sure about this, but for me it kinda makes sense xD
@Goomoonryong Yubel's effect effect that destroys all other monsters on the field is a Trigger Effect, so why doesn't it start a chain? :S
Destroying all other monsters during the End Phase is a Trigger Effect.
From YGO wikia
Reference : Individual Card Rulings on Netrep
If you Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" during the End Phase and your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute", you can chain "Stardust Dragon's" first effect to negate "Torrential Tribute". If you do, you can Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" again during the same End Phase.
Check it on wikia if you don't believe me Always check on wikia before asking ruling questions, you will find the answer most of the time!
This happens because Stardust's Summon does not start a chain. The effect that states that Stardust Dragon will be special summoned in the End Phase is the same with the one that negates a card that destroys cards on the field. If you negate Stardust's first effect he won't come back in the end phase. I'm not completely sure about this, but for me it kinda makes sense xD
@Goomoonryong Yubel's effect effect that destroys all other monsters on the field is a Trigger Effect, so why doesn't it start a chain? :S
Destroying all other monsters during the End Phase is a Trigger Effect.
From YGO wikia
Reference : Individual Card Rulings on Netrep
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If you Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" during the End Phase and your opponent activates "Torrential Tribute", you can chain "Stardust Dragon's" first effect to negate "Torrential Tribute". If you do, you can Special Summon "Stardust Dragon" again during the same End Phase.
this example didn't help = ="
Your example ... Torrential tribute effect activate <<< stardust negate it since he is face up at field
Torrential Tribute chain link 1
stardust chain link 2
Question is different, Yubel effect activate first <<< Stardust is not face up at field, he still at graveyard, no people negate it
Yubel effect chain link 1
Stardust revive chain link 2
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Sigh...
I didn't say Yubel and Stardust don't start a chain. I said they don't form a chain, as in they activate and resolve seperately. There is Chain Link 1 twice. No Chain Link 2. And Stardust's effect in the End Phase to Special Summon it back does start a chain.
As Aster said, your example with Torrential has no use here since it's 2 different situations.
I didn't say Yubel and Stardust don't start a chain. I said they don't form a chain, as in they activate and resolve seperately. There is Chain Link 1 twice. No Chain Link 2. And Stardust's effect in the End Phase to Special Summon it back does start a chain.
As Aster said, your example with Torrential has no use here since it's 2 different situations.
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Lets make things clear shall we.
The End Phase is a very important step where many effects take place and many resolutions take place. During the End Phase it is the turn player who decides which effects resolve first. In this case, the turn player controls Yubel, and the non-turn player has Stardust Dragon in the Graveyard.
Lets notice importantly that the turn player control a Mandatorty Trigger Effect and the opponent controls a Optional Trigger Effect. Since the turn player has priority in the End Phase he gets to decide whether he wants to activate his Mandatroy Trigger Effect immediately or not.
--Player A enters the End Phase--
Player A can activate and resolve Yubel OR pass priority to his opponent.
Even though it is a Mandatory Trigger Effect you can pass priority and resolve it later but it will resolve regardless. Two things happen from this:
Option 1. Player A chooses to activate and resolve Yubel
Option 2. Player A chooses to resolve Yubel later, Player B can now activate Stardust Dragon OR pass Priority back to Player A.
Now we have a number of things that can happen. If player A chooses option 1. Then Player B can respond to the activation of Yubel with a card but cannot chain Stardust Dragon since the two effects are not happening at the same time. The only time trigger effects form a chain is if the happen at the exact same time, but the End Phase bends the rules and actually contains many substeps that do not allow for this to happen.
Following from Option 1:
1 a). Yubel resolves destroying all monsters on the field. Player B can now activate and resolve Stardust Dragon.
Now lets look at how option 2 could work. Player B has two choices here, he can pass priority back to player A or choose to activate and resolve Stardust Dragon.
Following from Option 2:
2 a). Player B activates and resolves Stardust Dragon. Priority is passed back to Player A who must now activate and resolve Yubel's effect.
2 b). Player B passes priority back to Player A who now must resolve Yubel's effect. When Yubels effect resolves, Player B can once again decide to activate Stardust Dragons effect.
With option 2 a). in this case, Stardust is summoned to the field before Yubel is activated and can chain itself once Player A is forced to activate Yubel's effect since he already passed Yubels effect once. With option 2 b). and since no more passing can be done. Mandatroy effects must now activate and resolve. Stardust Dragon like we said cannot chain its effect because it is not happening at the same time but in a different substep later in the End Phase so Yubel will go first and Stardust can be summoned after Yubel has fully resolved.
The key thing to remember is "whos turn is it?" and "does he want to pass his priority to me?" Mandatory effects can be passed only in the End Phase, and will instead activate after Player B has decided if he would like to activate his effects first.
So as a straight answer without all the mumbo jumbo, Stardust Dragon will not be able to chain its effect to Yubel if he wants to use Yubels effect before you can summon Stardust. If he doesnt, you can summon stardust and then he must use yubels effect which you can chain to so it all depends on what your opponent wants to do.
The End Phase is a very important step where many effects take place and many resolutions take place. During the End Phase it is the turn player who decides which effects resolve first. In this case, the turn player controls Yubel, and the non-turn player has Stardust Dragon in the Graveyard.
Lets notice importantly that the turn player control a Mandatorty Trigger Effect and the opponent controls a Optional Trigger Effect. Since the turn player has priority in the End Phase he gets to decide whether he wants to activate his Mandatroy Trigger Effect immediately or not.
--Player A enters the End Phase--
Player A can activate and resolve Yubel OR pass priority to his opponent.
Even though it is a Mandatory Trigger Effect you can pass priority and resolve it later but it will resolve regardless. Two things happen from this:
Option 1. Player A chooses to activate and resolve Yubel
Option 2. Player A chooses to resolve Yubel later, Player B can now activate Stardust Dragon OR pass Priority back to Player A.
Now we have a number of things that can happen. If player A chooses option 1. Then Player B can respond to the activation of Yubel with a card but cannot chain Stardust Dragon since the two effects are not happening at the same time. The only time trigger effects form a chain is if the happen at the exact same time, but the End Phase bends the rules and actually contains many substeps that do not allow for this to happen.
Following from Option 1:
1 a). Yubel resolves destroying all monsters on the field. Player B can now activate and resolve Stardust Dragon.
Now lets look at how option 2 could work. Player B has two choices here, he can pass priority back to player A or choose to activate and resolve Stardust Dragon.
Following from Option 2:
2 a). Player B activates and resolves Stardust Dragon. Priority is passed back to Player A who must now activate and resolve Yubel's effect.
2 b). Player B passes priority back to Player A who now must resolve Yubel's effect. When Yubels effect resolves, Player B can once again decide to activate Stardust Dragons effect.
With option 2 a). in this case, Stardust is summoned to the field before Yubel is activated and can chain itself once Player A is forced to activate Yubel's effect since he already passed Yubels effect once. With option 2 b). and since no more passing can be done. Mandatroy effects must now activate and resolve. Stardust Dragon like we said cannot chain its effect because it is not happening at the same time but in a different substep later in the End Phase so Yubel will go first and Stardust can be summoned after Yubel has fully resolved.
The key thing to remember is "whos turn is it?" and "does he want to pass his priority to me?" Mandatory effects can be passed only in the End Phase, and will instead activate after Player B has decided if he would like to activate his effects first.
So as a straight answer without all the mumbo jumbo, Stardust Dragon will not be able to chain its effect to Yubel if he wants to use Yubels effect before you can summon Stardust. If he doesnt, you can summon stardust and then he must use yubels effect which you can chain to so it all depends on what your opponent wants to do.
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Is this mean,
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If Player A (Who control Yubel Incarnate) pass the priority to Opponent, and the opponent choose to revive stardust and the the priority pass back to Player A, he forced to activate Yubel effect =
Chain Link 1 Stardust Dragon Revive
Chain LInk 2 Yubel effect destroy
Result is Destroy all monsters at field except Yubel and then stardust revive
and
If Player A choose activate Yubel effect and the opponent activate stardust effect =
Chain Link 1 Yubel effect
Chain Link 2 Stardust Effect
Result is Stardust will get destroy ?
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@Yuri Bakura
No, both of these are incorrect.
Read Det's explanation again and try to understand
Stardust Dragon's effect and Yubel's effect won't activate at the same time, therefore they will not form a chain, so if Player A passes priority to Player B, then Player B can summon Stardust, and THEN Player A will activate Yubel. This ISN'T a chain, it's two different effects happening at a different time. That's why you can THEN chain Stardust to Yubel's effect and negate it.
IF Player A retains priority, Yubel's Effect will be activated and will destroy all monsters on the field. Then Player B can decide if he wants to Special Summons Stardust.
Looks like Det saved the day
No, both of these are incorrect.
Read Det's explanation again and try to understand
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- Then Player B can respond to the activation of Yubel with a card but cannot chain Stardust Dragon since the two effects are not happening at the same time.
The only time trigger effects form a chain is if the happen at the
exact same time, but the End Phase bends the rules and actually contains
many substeps that do not allow for this to happen.
Stardust Dragon's effect and Yubel's effect won't activate at the same time, therefore they will not form a chain, so if Player A passes priority to Player B, then Player B can summon Stardust, and THEN Player A will activate Yubel. This ISN'T a chain, it's two different effects happening at a different time. That's why you can THEN chain Stardust to Yubel's effect and negate it.
IF Player A retains priority, Yubel's Effect will be activated and will destroy all monsters on the field. Then Player B can decide if he wants to Special Summons Stardust.
Looks like Det saved the day
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and All i can say is wow.... lmao det's a freak!
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@TheDetonator
How about if you sticky your post above. It's very helpful and understandable =)
How about if you sticky your post above. It's very helpful and understandable =)
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@FinasLionheart
Sure. I'll make a more generalized version of my post and make a sticky tutorial on the End Phase.
Sure. I'll make a more generalized version of my post and make a sticky tutorial on the End Phase.
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Didn't someone say this in the beginning? Why do I even bother anymore...Goomoonryong wrote:The effects don't form a chain to begin with. He is turn player so he can choose to activate and resolve his effect first. When that is done, or if he chooses to pass priority, you can summon your Stardust back. If he passed priority and you then summoned Stardust, you can negate his Yubel when he activates it's effect after Stardust has been summoned.
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Sometimes it can take more than one person to show that something will work the way it works. I just went into massive detail so everyone could understand what is happening in this scenario and why since there was so much debate involved.
But yes your post was correct Goomoo.
But yes your post was correct Goomoo.
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I just find it weird that if I say something, people go "gtfo of here scrub, you don't know s***", and then you come along and say something and people go "ahh, I see".
I AM BOILING WITH ANGER, ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!
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I AM BOILING WITH ANGER, ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!
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Goomoonryong wrote:I just find it weird that if I say something, people go "gtfo of here scrub, you don't know s***", and then you come along and say something and people go "ahh, I see".
I AM BOILING WITH ANGER, ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!
*rage quits*
Well Tbh its not that weird If I see it from my point of view,
since u're new here so ppl will doubt u, even with ur explanation that is really short and ppl get confused by ur explanation so ppl will just ignore it..
its different with det's explanation that is long and more details such like he is adding the reason why it didnt form any chain, not to mention he is a well-known person here that have a great knowledge of ruling..
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