Some Question

1. When RFGed dandy targeted by Burial from another d. and sent to grave , why his effect not activated?

2. What is different of vayu eff (this card cannot use as sync. materiale xcept from grave ) and QD eff ( this card cannot be use as sync material except for ..... )

3. Can brio use prio if we use goblin zombie as sync material

i only know answer number 3 ^^ since goblin zombie is trigger effect like sangan, it will become chain link 1. Then your brionac is summon, so you can call priority by discarding 1 card as a cost. (Chain link 2).

That's not correct.

1: Burial from a D.D. returns the monsters to the grave, which is not the same as sending it to the grave.

2: Vayu can't be used as as a synchro material when it's on the field.
Quickdraw can be used as a synchro material when on the field, but it can only be used to summon synchro monsters that lists a synchron monster as a tuner in their card text.

3: Goblin Zombies mandatory effect takes up chain link 1, so you can't not use Brionac's effect with priority. If your opponent has Bottomless Trap Hole, then he can activate that without you ever being able to use Brionac's effect.

lol u are right >.< after i check the ruling, it say

Goblin Zombie: If "Sangan"/"Goblin Zombie"/etc are used for a Synchro Summon, then their effects are mandatory, and must activate as soon as the Synchro Summon is successful.[5]

* If "Goblin Zombie"/etc is used for the Synchro Summon" of "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier", then you cannot activate the Ignition Effect of "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" before the effect of "Goblin Zombie"/etc activates. Moreover, you cannot activate the Ignition Effect of "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" in chain to the effect of "Goblin Zombie"/etc.

but i don't really understand >.< why brionac ignition effect cannot chain to Goblin Zombie since both of them are chain link 1

@Yuri Bakura
Because the effect of Goblin Zombie and Brionac are not simultaneously happened, therefore, both of them could not possibly placed in Chain Link 1. It has to be Goblin Zombie effect since it is mandatory effect.

I second what Goomoonryong answered. Though, I want to add for number 2:

Vayu:
If this card is face-up on the field, you cannot use it for a Synchro Summon. If this card is in your Graveyard, you can remove from play this card plus 1 non-Tuner "Blackwing" monster in your Graveyard, and Special Summon 1 "Blackwing" Synchro Monster from your Extra Deck whose Level equals the total Levels of the removed monsters. The effect(s) of that Synchro Monster is negated.

The bolded part (like what you asked) is treated as its effect. So let's say there is Skill Drain face-up on the field, you can use Vayu to Synchro Summon when it's on the field.

Quickdraw Synchron:
You can send 1 monster from your hand to the Graveyard and Special Summon this card from your hand. You can substitute this card for any 1 "Synchron" Tuner for a Synchro Summon. This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster, except for the Synchro Summon of a monster that lists a "Synchron" monster as a Tuner monster.

The bolded part (again, like what you asked) is not treated as its effect. So let's say there is Skill Drain face-up on the field, you still can use it to substitute a "Synchron Tuner" and can only use it to Synchro Summon a "Synchron" monster.

Hope that helps

WilliamBerlin wrote:1. When RFGed dandy targeted by Burial from another d. and sent to grave , why his effect not activated?

Card says "Return", so Dandy won't trigger


2. What is different of vayu eff (this card cannot use as sync. materiale xcept from grave ) and QD eff ( this card cannot be use as sync material except for ..... )

Well, there is actually no difference between them, but Vayu is a special card, because Konami says so, so while QD's text is a condition, Vayu's is an effect. Also note that Vayu doesn't have a cost, so you can re-use him without removing anything if negated.

3. Can brio use prio if we use goblin zombie as sync material

GobZob is a mandatory Trigger, therefore steals your priority. Same goes with any other card with a trigger effect.

Questions answered correctly. I will be writing an article on "Priority Stealer's" in the coming weeks so look out for that. In short though it works like this:

Player A sends Goblin Zombie to the Graveyard for the Synchro Summon of Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier.
Chain Link 1: Goblin Zombie.
Player A now wants to activate Brionac's effect with Priority, however, Priority ensures a spot as chain link 1 which has been taken up by Goblin Zombie. The Ignition Effect cannot be activated until the current chain resolves.
Player B can now respond to the Summon.
Chain Link 2: Bottomless Trap Hole (if applicable)
--- Chain resolves backwards ---
Chain Link 2: Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier is destroyed and removed from play.
Chain Link 1: Goblin Zombie adds a Zombie to your hand.

In short:
Ignition effects (which are Spell Speed 1) cannot be chained to another effect. You must wait until you retain complete Priority after the chain finishes resolving before you are able to activate a Ignition Effect as Chain Link 1.

The 3rd question was answered, but I'll say something extra :

This will not only happen with Goblin Zombie, but with ANY monster that has a mandatory trigger effect "when sent to the grave", such as Sangan or Dandylion.

If you use Poison Draw Frog as a synchro material, you CAN use priority due to Poison Draw Frog's effect being Optional. However, you CAN'T activate Poison Draw Frog's effect even if you don't use priority with Brionac, because it will lose the timing, but that's another story. (PDF that goes to the grave isn't the last thing that happens, because a summon occurs afterwards, so his effect won't activate)

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