remove from play question

i have been thinking about this and kinda confused...

let's just say that i have card/s face up on the field that removes card from play like Dimensional Fissure, Banisher of Radiance, etc...

Can my opponent activate effects that send cards to the graveyard? (like Monster Reincarnation, Future Fusion, Montage Dragon, etc?)

thanks

Nope, obviously bcause they cannot be sent to grave, it would be different if the statement is "discard"

Hmm... It's interesting Aludra. Because i thought he can use these cards but sended monsters goes to RFP. Me too want to learn this... So anymore answer???

It doesn't work.
E.g.
Macro cosmos on field.

Effect:

I summon Rescue cat.

Effect:

Rescue cat Specifies that you have to send it to the Graveyard, if it can't go to the Graveyard, you can't active it.

This is the same with any card that specifies where to send cards.

In regards of your question, it depends.

1) If the card effect just says '...discard...' as part of the cost or the effect, yes you can activate it.
Example:
- Monster Reincarnation, it discards as part of the cost
- Spirit Reaper, it discards as part of the effect

2) If the card effect says '...discarded from the hand to the Graveyard...' as part of the trigger, no you cannot activate it.
Example:
- Dark World Monsters

3) If the card effect says '...send from your Hand/Field/Deck to the Graveyard...' as part of the cost or the effect, no you cannot activate it.
Example:
- Montage Dragon, it sends as part of the cost (not an effect though)
- Honest, it sends as part of the cost
- Hand Destruction, it sends as part of the effect

Conclusion: If it's specified to be sent to the Graveyard (remember, discard is also treated as send), then you cannot activate it.

CaptainChrno wrote:
- Hand Destruction, it sends as part of the effect

Conclusion: If it's specified to be sent to the Graveyard (remember, discard is also treated as send), then you cannot activate it.

When u said so, so why The dark world monsters eff cant activateed by hand destruction?? (sry a bit off topic here xP)
my conclusion is, discard is different than sent to grave,

Discard is considered as send to the Graveyard

Send to the Graveyard is not considered as Discard

Oh, I see ur point, sent to grave is a part of discard,
but ofc discard will not be considered as sent to grave if there is a face-up macro cosmos,

so it means that as long as those removal card active on the field, any card that sepicifies discarding to graveyard can't be activated?

i see, i got it
thanks guys

@gothic I've been wondering if there is a face-up dimfis, we activate hand-destruction by sending 2 spell/trap card to grave but opp's card is only 2 and one or both of that card is monster card, what opp should do then?? even tough this case will be rarely seeen

Sending the card into the grave isnt part of a cost afaik . So the cards go rfg (monster) or grave (s/t) and he draw 2 new cards

I hope im right .D

The answers in here are wrong. (except overdose)

If cards like Dimensional Fissure, Macro Cosmos and the banishers are face-up on the field, the cards which specifically state to send/discard a card to the Graveyard as part of a cost, cannot be activated, because the cost which needs to be sent to the graveyard before the card is activated, can't be sent there.

Cards which specifically state to send/discard a card to the Graveyard as a part of an effect can be activated, and those cards will be removed from play instead, because the card has already been activated and is currently resolving it's effect.

Cards which discard and don't specifically state that it must be sent to the Graveyard, being either as a part of a cost or effect, can be activated.

Cards that send/discard to the Graveyard as a cost (cards that don't work):
- Rescue Cat
- Montage Dragon

Cards that send/discard to the Graveyard as an effect (cards that work):
- Hand Destruction
- Don Zaloog (2nd effect)
- Goblin Zombie (1st effect)

Cards that discard (cards that work):
- Monster Reincarnation
- Lightning Vortex
- Dark World Dealings and his friends
- Mefist the Infernal General

This happens because costs are paid before a card is activated. You always pay the cost, and then activate the card's effect.
So, if Dimensional Fissure is on the field, you can send a S/T card to the graveyard as a part of a cost to activate a card which specifically sends to the Graveyard, and then activate that card.

No need to check Gothic, Hand Destruction can be activated in any case.

It's not a condition either, it's part of the effect which sends 2 cards from the players' hand to the grave and lets them draw 2 cards.

I second Atem.

Cards that require cards to be sent or discarded to the Graveyard as a part of cost cannot be activate while cards like Macro Cosmos is face-up on the field. The simple reason is that the cost cannot be fulfilled and if the cost can't be fulfilled the effect cannot be activated. The important thing to understand when dealing with situations like this is wether or not the cards being sent to the graveyard are a part of a cost or not. Cards that do not send cards to the graveyard as a cost will resolve normally and the cards will just be removed from play instead as per normal.

As for the Hand Destruction issue. Yes this card can still be activated. Sending two cards to the Graveyard is a condition but not a cost since the effect is joined by the word "and". Both the sending of the cards to the graveyard and drawing two new cards happen at the same time. The cards sent to the Graveyard are just removed from play instead.

--The Detonator--

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